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I heard there were multiple experimental sections. I had 2 reading comps back to back. One had a law passage on Alaskan traders the other a laew passage on non-conforming behavior just curious who else had these and which one they thought was experimental. I could'nt tell but the first seemed easier then the second and the second seemed on par with past exams so I would blind guess the first was experimental.
ReplyDeleteI had the exam with three Logical Reasoning sections -
ReplyDeletethe reading comp passages on my exam dealt with
1. the Japanese/Canadian - the hero
2. Cooperation within laws - steroids
3. the species evolution
4. Economists - financial gain - environmental factors - cutting down trees
So to answer your ques - I believe that the second reading comp section is the non-experimental
I had two logic games sections. My second section had two killer sequencing games and a pattern game (trading buildings between two companies) at the end. Thankfully, that was the experimental. But that didn't stop from getting flustered for the third section, which was reading comp. I thought the reading comp was the most difficult section of the test--but that could be because I was pissed.
ReplyDeleteThe only questions I can remember are the analogy-related ones, such as which of the following is most like the "stone that turns to bread" (Japanese-Canadian internment). I chose the "tortoise"--what do you guys/gals think? Also, for the law passage, which is most like the cooperative driving on one side of the street law, I chose "airplanes fly at different altitudes" law. It sounds like a sucker choice, but I thought it fit the profile.
As for the logic games, I got a sequencing game for a storm passing over towns, leaving either rain or hail or hail and rain. There was some sequencing game with animals on roadposts. The last and most difficult of the games was the three committees of three people each grouping game. The key was realizing either M or P was in all three, and that the other of the two could only be in one because there were two other pairs if people that couldn't be on the same committee.
Lastly, the logical reasoning seemed reasonable. I remember one difficult question (number 20 or so on my 2nd LR section) about countries being ignorant of history being doomed to repeat it, and then some convoluted reasoning, which I rushed to believing as an incorrect reversal of the conditional. Then I couldn't find a good answer in time, settling for the last one E) fails to take into account that there are some people that (don't?) repeat history that (aren't?) ignorant of it--or something like that. What did other people think?
Sorry for blabbing. I just wanted to get a dialogue started for those of us who are unsure about how we did and may consider cancelling our scores.
Good luck to everyone!
^^^
ReplyDeleteI went for E on the history one. It was challenging and E seemed a pretty tight answer.
I also took the most time with the grouping game. I was able to figure the M/P thing out but still eneded up doing a ton of trial and error.
Overall I did't think it was too bad and pretty much in line with recent tests.
I went with E on the hostory question too.
ReplyDeleteI had two logic game sections too, and I had a real hard time with the section. I must have missed an inference with the "tape question", because there were a few questions I couldn't get. And that last question was really hard for me.
The part that sucks is that for whatever reason the first games sections (the experimental) was really easy to me.
Oh well, atleast it is done.
Hey..anyone have an interesting proctor / test room experience?
ReplyDeleteI took mine at U of Maryland and the proctors knew what they were doing though the desks were tiny so there was a lot paper rustling...also it was about 100 degrees in Mayrland and the room was just bearable.
A girl did bring a cell phone in the room and it went off. After the test they gave her some slip of paper (a violation?). I can't beleive someone would have risked that...they're whole application process could be f'd up
Did anyone else thing one of the logical reasoning sections was very hard? Not the one w/ the history question.
ReplyDeletehey, for me:
ReplyDeletesec 1 - reading comp
sec 2, 3, & 4 - logical reasion
sec 5 - logic games
i was told that sec 2 was the experimental, if i remember correctly.
To the person who commented first:
ReplyDeleteI had two RC sections. I'm pretty sure the SECOND one was the experimental section. I think it started with a dense passage about some sort of conservation law protecting sea otters impinging on traditional rights. Something like that...
what did ppl think about the logical reasoning question involving happiness/kindness, and being loved?
ReplyDeleteHola. Hope the test went well for everyone.
ReplyDeleteIf you had more than one reading comprehension section, the one that did NOT include passages about the asian american book, the pronghorn deer, etc. was the experimental one. If you had more than one games section, it was the one that did NOT include the cities with the rain and hail, the tapes with jazz/rock etc. I had three logical reasoning sections, so I couldn't tell ya which one of those was the experimental one.
As for the question from the reading comprehension about the book by the Asian woman, I think the answer to the analogy question about "stone and bread" was probably the choice about Job. I could be wrong, but grammatically and symbolically it seemed the closest match to me. Peace.
For the happiness/being loved one. I remember the necessary premise to bridge the gap in logic was being loved implies loving somebody. The answer I chose was a tricky contrapositive of that statement, something like if you don't love anybody then you are not loved.
ReplyDeleteFor the stone/bread example, I chose the turtle because it seemed to have the "bad (slow) at first appearance, but really a winner" like the stone/bread analogy. I don't remember much about the biblical choice (Job), but now I'm curious...
I picked JOB for that LR question as well. Also for that same passage there was a question regarding the purpose of or something else related to the 3rd paragraph? I think I picked the answer choice that had to do with relgious something or other.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone remember a principle LR question regarding how it is morally wrong to not report something even if the consequences of doing so are "disastrous"? I picked an answer choice that had something to do with a psychiatrist.
I think the most difficult LR question was about the town that the average age went from 52-57 over the last 10 years and which one of the following offered the most support to the fact that the number of people over the age of 65 increased. The answer choices I remember were A)the number of people under 18 inreased C) the number of people decreased d)more people moved in then moved out
ReplyDeleteYeah, I have no idea what I put down for the question about the town's age increasing.
ReplyDeleteI think the other question referred to above was about a principle stating that: in one's societal or personal capacity, one should always do one's duty unless there's overwhelming evidence that to do so would be disastrous. I picked the one about the teacher who doesn't change her student's grade.
the reading comprehension was brutal!
ReplyDeletethe logic games was good. the one about rain and hail, and the committee..it was ok.
i had three logical reasoning.
i think the 2nd section was experimental.
FYI: The experimental reading section (that appeared on my test as SECTION 2) was very similar if not identical to the reading passages that appeared on the SCORED section of the February 2003 test.
ReplyDeleteHere were the passages from the February 2003 test: "analysis of the political and artistic aspects a Russian Revolutionary era poet's work, a discussion of theories and experiments regarding the immune system, a description of a Bangladeshi bank's innovative loan program, and a recounting of a Supreme Court ruling about standing in regard to a housing act." For those of you who had the experimental reading, this should sound familiar.
I belive that for the Average Age from 51 to 51 points to over 65 question, showing that the age of people under 18 was increasing is the correct answer, because were that to be true, you would need an influence on later ages, i.e. an increase, to draw the average in that direction.
I wish I could remember some of the questions more clearly, so that I could post them.
Oh well, hope everybody rocked it out.
I definitely think the one about the moral duty vs. societal duty was the answer about the teacher changing the grade.
ReplyDeleteAs for the number of questions per section, I know the games section had 22 and the reading comp had 27 (mine weren't experimental). As for the logical reasoning, I had 3 sections so I couldn't tell ya which two counted...but two had 26 and one had 25...
I thought that the LR question about societal/moral duty was the psychiatrist answer. Also, wasn't the question about the town's age increasing an assumption question? I think I picked the moving in/moving out answer but that could be totally wrong now that i think about it
ReplyDeleteWhat did people respond to for the reading comp. section on conformity/law? There was a parallel reasoning type question thrown in about what was analogous to the law about driving on the right hand side of the road. One of the answers was a)people are to wear the same clothes to work rather than whatever they want and b) pilots must fly at different altitudes from each other. I can't remember the other three answers but I chose the one about pilots
ReplyDeletepilots, definitely
ReplyDeleteMy experimental was logic games...I'm now trying to remember which games went with which section (the experimental Sec. 2 or the real Section 5). Since we all at least had the real section, maybe someone can help me out. I only remember 7 of the total 8 games.
ReplyDelete1. Medicines/Side Effects
2. Hospital Floor visits (7 floors)
3. Gym classes
4. Roller Coasters
5. Music Tape Sides (jazz, folk, etc.)
6. Storms of rain/hail over towns
7. Committees
does anyone remember which ones were in the real section, and possibly what the 8th game was that i can't remember?
Hey guys, I have a question regarding the experimental section. It seems to be the consensus amongst people I've talked to that section 2 on the June 2005 lsat was the experimental; this is corroborated by the fact that someone on this blog stated that kaplan concurred with this. However, the princeton review website seems to imply that while most individuals do indeed get the same numbered experimental section (2 in this case, the topic can vary), there are some tests that have the experimental section placed elsewhere. (e.g 1 or 3) Can anyone verify the truth of this?
ReplyDeletei know writing is not scored...but would like to know if anyone got an argument writing instead of a decision one??
ReplyDeleteYa, I got an argument one. It was about some carving found on and island and had to assess the reasoning behind the article.
ReplyDeleteThe other logic game was the one about animals on signposts
ReplyDeleteI had two logic games sections for my test..(haha, i would die if ihad two reading comps!)and i thought that the first logic game section (section 2) was soooo hard. But the real section was sooo easy...i almost think easier than any logic game setion on any practice exam i took prior....does anyone else think this?
ReplyDeleteI agree with the scored logic games section being extremely easy relative to previous tests. In practicing with time limits, I could never get through a logic games section in 35 minutes without having to guess on at least a couple of questions. But, on the June 2005 logic games I was able to get through all the questions with three minutes to spare. The reading comprehension was a different story, I believe I had to guess on three questions because time was running out.
ReplyDeletei was lucky and had two logic sections; did anyone else think the cooperation passage in reading comprehension was extremely tough? also about the assumption happiness one, i didnt think it was if no one loves you you cant be loved because that wasnt the true contra, which wasnt listed; i think i put e. oh and i put the psychiatrist one the other one people talked about. and i put the turtle on the reading comp. does anyone else remember any other questions
ReplyDeletehi everyone! i distinctly remember one LR question...it was the first question on my first LR section and I was just wondering what other people think of it...the question was about an herbivorous animal that was recently seen feeding on a turtle...it was a resolve/explain question...the two answer choices that i narrowed it down to were 1)the animal was only interested in the calcified shell of the turtle, or 2) the turtle fed on the same plant as the animal (and i took this to mean that the animal was eliminating a competitor to its food source but other people understood it as the animal getting its plant nutrients (or whatever) via eating the turtle)...either way, I chose the first choice (the shell one) because the argument blurb specifically said 'feeding' and i figured if the animal was merely eliminating a competitor it would just kill it and not 'feed' on it...now i'm not so sure of my reasoning...let me know what you guys think....i apologize if everything i just wrote makes absolutely no sense...
ReplyDeleteyeah, i remember that turtle one. i also believe that reasoning is correct and that answer is correct
ReplyDeleteI am trying to figure out which of my 3 LR sections is the experimental. I had them for sections 1,2 and 5 and I was convinced that section 1 had to be it considering it seemed much more difficult. Though most people say that section 2 was the experimental I read on the Princeton review site that others sections (1 or 3) can be.
ReplyDeleteOne of the reasons I thought my section 1 was experimental was that it included a question that I never saw before; though I don't remember the content it was a parallel flaw question that asked you to find the TWO flaws similar to those that appeared in the orginal argument. Did any of you that only had 2 LR sections have this question?
The experimential section can be any one... generally if a section is noticeably easy or noticeably hard it's experimental.
ReplyDeleteIn reference to the 52-57 age question, I chose A) where the under-18 population rose, since I figured a rising young population would tend to bring the average down unless offset by a bigger increase in the older population.
About the societal/personal duty, I think I chose the answer about the psychologist and the patient's dream about a violent crime, since that would go against patient confidentiality but reporting a potential crime is in the greater interest of society.
I just have one question... for the tape game, did the clue say that folk couldn't be on a tape directly before rock or did it say rock couldn't be on a tape directly before folk. I think it was folk that couldn't be before rock. I'm wondering if I transposed the two.
Other than that I didn't think it was too bad except for the reading passage about the book about a Japanese girl's experience in Canada. I chose the tortoise answer too.
-to matt...i've seen 'parallel the 2 flaws' questions on past tests and definitely remember seeing this type of question of one of my LR sections...my experimental was reading comp so the section you saw that question on may have been a scored section....those questions are horrible though because i couldn't even pinpoint one flaw to parallel and they wanted two...i just went with the answer that sounded like the argument blurb...
ReplyDelete-about the jazz/rock game...i'm almost positive that folk couldn't come before anything that had rock....
-for the 52-57 age question...i don't remember what type of question it was but i too put the answer that said the under-18 population was increasing...
Anyone remember that Logical Reasoning question that had to do with whether or not money existed? I thought it was really tricky. Something like, "what assumption is the author making", and I think that somehow whether or not something existed had to not be dependent on people's beliefs about that thing.
ReplyDeleteThoughts?
that money question sounds familiar and i think the answer (at least the answer i put) had something to do with people's beliefs in money or something like that...
ReplyDeleteI think I somewhat remember the money one too. I believe the answer was that the assumption is if something is real, it will exist even if people stop believing in it...because the argument being made was that money isn't really real since it would not exist if no one believed in it.
ReplyDeleteI don't remember the exact wording but I think that was the concept.
I think I also put the same answer for the money question. A piece of paper stops being money if people stop associating implicit value to that piece of paper. Thus it's not "real", as the term is defined in the question.
ReplyDeleteThat said, has anyone gotten their score yet? I know it's supposed to be emailed on the 27th but the anticipation is killing me. I want to call on the off-chance maybe it is available?
scores should be in today, as far as history can tell. the first place to find it is the LSAC web site. the score will be emailed later, but the site will have it posted first.
ReplyDeletecan anyone say "refresh"?
has anyone gotten their score yet?
ReplyDeleteNothing on the site yet. This is agony.
ReplyDeleteWhat time are the scores supposed to come in. At this point is it too late for them to be posted today? And I'm assuming they won't be posted on the weekend.
ReplyDeleteYes, this IS agony!
i tried calling that 'telescore' thing and it said that something about scores for the june test will be released at 7pm on monday...
ReplyDeletei feel everyone's pain and anxiety...
hey people...i just got my lsat score email...everyone go check your in-boxes or the lsac website.
ReplyDeletethe analogy question from the japanese-canadian reading comp passage was removed from scoring...
ReplyDeleteHelp?? Instead of my score I got a message stating, " 6/25/2005 Hold Added: File Under Review"
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have any input of why this would be placed? I originally took the test back in 1999. I believe and hope the June 2005 score is signifigantly higher and hope this may be the reason? Any other input?
Anyone know how to protest a question? I thought they should have dropped the question about being kind/happy. I spent forever on it, and I still can't figure out how any of the answers were correct. My gut feeling is everyone basically chose between D and E (since A-C were ridiculous choices) and it ended up looking like ~50% people got it correct... in which case they wouldn't have thrown it out automatically.
ReplyDeletei agree that that question is crazy...unfortunately, i think you have to protest questions before scores are released...
ReplyDeletei got it wrong, but i think i figured it out now....i'll try to explain:
Kind-->Loved by someone
Loves anyone-->happy
conclusion: kind-->happy
to draw this conclusion...you have to somehow link being loved by someone with loving anyone:you have to assume that
Loved by someone-->loves anyone
The contrapositive of this would be if you love no one, then you are loved by no one, which is choice D (whoever loves no one is loved by no one).
i hope that makes sense...again i agree that its a bad question and the most poorly worded argument i've ever seen...
its worth a shot to protest though...
ReplyDeleteI remember spending a lot of time on this question and my results show that I got it correct. I, however, went about it the slow persons way and eliminated A, B,C, & E by recognizing that they were inadequate as answers. While I couldn't really make heads or tales of D, it was the only one that wasn't clearly wrong. Seems to have worked.
ReplyDeletecan anyone explain how the lsat score percentiles work. are the percentiles always paired with a certain score for each test (for example, will a 170 always be the 98th percentile or a 165 always the 93 percentile?)? i thought that the combination of percentile and score somehow indicated to law school admissions committees that a test was hard or easy. but it appears that a certain score is always paired with a certain percentile, so i don't see how admissions people could learn anything about the toughness of the test from this.
ReplyDeleteAs far as I know, the scaled score always corresponds to the same percentile. We all know that some LSAT's are easier than others, and the way that is taken into account is by changing which RAW score corresponds to which SCALED score. For example, if you missed 8 you got a 171 on this test. However, on a lot of old practice tests, missing 8 would give you a 174 or 175. This is because these older tests were harder (i.e. people in general got lower RAW scores on them). However, don't feel like you got screwed because the scaled scores on this LSAT corresponded with very high RAW scores (i.e. a relatively high raw score yeilded a relatively low scaled score). This is exactly the way that the difficulty of this particular test is factored out so that law schools DON'T know or take into account how hard this one was. Let's say you missed 8 and got a 171 on this one, and let's say that on last years June LSAT, missing 12 would have gotten you a 171. Your score of 171 tells you (and law schools) that, as an example, you would have missed about 12 questions had you taken last year's LSAT instead of this one...and further tells them that your ability is comparable to everyone else who got a 171, regardless of when they took the LSAT. This system allows the administrators to control for differences in difficulty from test to test, and gives law schools an absolute measure of your ability rather than a measure that depends on which particular test you chose to take.
ReplyDeleteI'm looking for answers and explanation for the lsat logic game on june 2005 lsat. (the game about the committee with six members..etc) Please help! I'm desperarate to understand this game!> thanks!
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